Famous couples: Madonna and Jesus Luz

Madonna has (or had) a lover. They still name him her 'toy boy'. His name is Jesus Luz, he is a model and he was born January 15, 1988 in Rio. Here you see her chart. Her hour of birth has an Astrodatabank DD rating. That is practically an hour unknown or disputed. So I limit myself to the positions of Sun and planets to see what their match was, using very tight aspects only. Why were they together and why couldn't it last forever (apart from the age difference)? Here above is the chart. The transits represent the positions on the day of birth of Jesus.

MATCH
1. Her Sun is inconjunct his Sun.
That is misbalance between stars:) and living together might be difficult. Still there may be extreme attraction between them.
The inconjunction is indicating a possible lost in the end, or having to compromise.

2. Their Moons are in friendly signs.

3. Venus is inconjunct Venus
It will be hard to join their sympathies and tastes, but they might nevertheless like each other in a disproportionate way. Given the fact that she is much older than he is, there is of course a mismatch when it comes to joined preferences. They may have different ideas of what is fun. That might eventually result in pleasure getting lost.

4. Mars quatrinovile Mars (160d)
That is a pleasant match between their Mars, a fortunate match for sex and ... for working together.

SYNASTRY
Her Jupiter square his Sun: she is protecting him and has faith in him.
His Jupiter trine her Sun: the same goes for him!
They share a Sun-Jupiter aspect in the natal chart, too. They want to have success and be happy and that is what brought them together. There was mutual trust and they made each other happy.

Her Venus in a wider trine with his Mars is a perfect composition for passion...And with Venus 75 degrees from Mars there is a hidden passion in Madonna that swiftly goes along with the interaction between them.

CONCLUSION
The number of important inconjunctions*) between them refers to a mismatch for living together and love. But there was enough stimulating fire and both benefited from the relationship. When the relationship started, Jesus said something interesting when you consider the inconjunctions between the Suns and Venus-Venus. He said that he wasn't sure that Madonna was the woman of his life.

MORE...
For more about the artist in the chart of Madonna, see the post on Art&Astrology. The DD rated chart above perfectly fits the profile of an artist...

For more news about Madonna, see all the posts on Astropost mentioning her name...http://astropost.blogspot.com/search?q=Madonna

Madonna divorced Guy Ritchie in 2009. There is a post about that relationship on this blog, too (click here).

*) Inconjunctions are aspects of 150 degrees. They are the symbols of not quite matching aspects of a person's character or (between two persons) of some issue that doesn't 'fit' and causes lack of balance between them, with (for example) the result that someone has to give up on something.

Famous couple: Bill Clinton and Hillary (and Monica)

On Astrology and Love I wrote about Bill and Hillary Clinton before. In the post they were famous examples of not matching sun signs. Their not matching Suns are in Leo and Scorpio.

Often when Suns are in conflict there is an issue of ‘ who is the boss’ (ego in conflict!). Their Suns are semi sesquisquare apart (67.5 degrees) and that might keep the relationship going like a perpetuum mobile, always finding ways to make it a solar match. Both have a strong will and as their Suns are in fixed signs, they are likely to be willing to continue the relationship instead of breaking up, even if it is just for the public eye. They don't match at all. It takes something else than living together and luv to keep them together. That is:
a. They inspire each other (Mars septile Mars!).
b. They compete (Sun-Sun and Mars-Mars) and stimulate each other that way.
c. T hey both are ambitious political strategists with a dream.

That strategy and ambition, fixed sun signs and Saturn keeps them together in a long lasting relationship in spite of the publicity about Bill Clinton's affairs.

VENUS-SATURN
Hillary has Venus square Saturn. Bill’s Saturn is square the Sun of Hillary. Often that is a reflection of the importance of status, guilt or age in the relationship. Saturn doesn't always separate (in public). Saturn often brings consistency (a lawful wedding). The interesting thing is, that Bill's Saturn is also afflicting the Sun of Monica Lewinsky! The same idea of status and consistency that keeps Bill and Hillary together (officially) kept Monica and Bill apart: the Saturn effect! Scroll down to see more about the match between Bill and Monica.

INDICATIONS FOR DIVORCE
Hillary’s chart doesn’t have the usual indications for divorce in a woman’s chart, but Bill has Venus conjunct Neptune and Mars quindecile Uranus. It must be hard for him to be faithful, says the chart, and we all know how hard it was. When one person does have indications for more than one relationship and the other has not, we can expect affairs, especially when a man is rich (attracting all kinds of girls).

HILLARY
Hillary Clinton is a Sun Scorpio and Neptune rises before the Sun so that she needs dreams, ideals and romance first of all. She has a ‘ calling’ Sun, for leadership and drawing attention and Mercury in Scorpio is tightly square Saturn (for communication strategy, political restricted information). She might have an early Aries Moon trine Jupiter and that completes the picture of the top politician. In the study of American Presidents on Astromarkt you see that they all had Mercury-Saturn-Pluto combinations and that most of them had a Moon-Jupiter aspect (because they need to be popular in order to be elected). The hour of birth of Hillary Clinton is unknown.

BILL CLINTON
Bill Clinton is first of all a man who uses a political communication strategy. It is easy to see: Mercury, Saturn and Pluto rise before his Sun, together. He doesn’t have the Moon-Jupiter combination that other Presidents have. Maybe Sun/Moon sextile Jupiter is a compensation for that. His angular Neptune is reflecting the dreamer and idealist.

MARS-PLUTO
Just an observation: Hillary Clinton has a tight conjunction of Mars and Pluto. Bill Clinton's Mars is angular and Pluto rises right before his Sun. That shows the importance of their political (Pluto) activities (Mars) for both of them.

JOINING FORCES
Bill and Hillary don’t match, at least: their signs don’t match. Their long lasting relationship is exceptional, also in astrological terms. It is a relationship between two very ambitious political strategists and idealists who joined forces. You can see that: there is a minor aspects between their Mars, a septile. Septiles have to do with inspirations.What Bill does inspires Hillary and vice versa. Even their competition is inspiring to them.

I don't think that what Bill did with Monica was an inspiration to Hillary, however. Bill and Monica matched a little more than Hillary and Bill do:

- They are both Leo’s (and like to draw attention and show off)
- They both have the Moon in Taurus (and want comfort, luxury and luv)
- Their Venus signs match (they have the same taste and sympathies; they liked each other)

Mars in Aries is opposition Mars in Libra. Opposites attrack, yes, but in the end Mars-Mars tends to fight each other and indicates sexual attraction or working on the same project (and stimulating each other, There are many examples of Mars-Mars in synastry on this blog. Just click the label ' Mars'.

So, they matched enough to get started. His Saturn on her Sun shows us that there were restrictions, however. How about being married (and age?:) That is what kept them apart. And that is what keeps the Clinton's together: Saturn!

See more about Saturn in a relationship on this blog: http://astrology-love-romance.blogspot.com/2009/05/saturn-in-relationship-synastry.html

RELATED: about long lasting relationships and the effect of fixed signs...

Famous couples: Nancy and Ronald Reagan

It is always nice to see exceptions when there is a rule. Nancy and Ronald Reagan's Sunsigns did not match and they remained together till death did part them. Nancy Reagan says that she sees her husband every night, still... No matching sun signs, but what a lot of supporting aspects in synastry! (You see Ronald Reagan's chart above and the positions of Nancy Reagan on the outside of the circle.) Here are some of the aspects between the charts:

- his Jupiter was trine and his Moon sextile her Sun so that he was a a great support for her family life and she was motivated by his optimism and help.
- her Jupiter was trine his Moon, so that she made him feel good
- her Mars quindecile his Uranus, his Uranus trine her Mars; this must have been mutual 'sparks' setting them on fire
- his Jupiter is trine hers, for convictions in line...and making each other happy

Yet, their Suns did not match. They must have had life styles that didn't correspond at all. Or: the wider inconjunction between Sun and Sun must be a match, meaning a disproportionate way to share lives. Another explanation: signs are less important that aspects (their Suns didn't make a tight aspect). Or it was just the overwhelming effect of all the pleasant aspects between the couple's charts...And how about the square between his Saturn and her Moon (2nd degree of Leo) conjunct Midheaven? Saturn often refers to consistency and the Moon on Midheaven to a position AS a wife. We all know them as the President (Saturn) and first lady (Moon in Leo on Midheaven). She was a role model for many women and that is the effect of that Moon position. She had that position because of his status (Saturn).

See the marriage profile on 'marriage.about.com

About Ronald, Nancy and their interest in astrology, see Astropost...

Ted and Gayle Haggard sharing Venus-Saturn

Ted and Gayle Haggard married a long time ago. There has been a lot of fuss when the married former evangelical priest Ted Haggard confessed that he had 'homosexual issues'. His wife didn't (yet) divorce him and he is being 'treated' to become a purely hetero. What causes the problems and what keeps them going?

CHALLENGES
The positions on the days of birth of Ted and his wife Gayle show that they were both born with the potential of challenging relationships. They also don't match.
I erected a chart for their days of birth for Washington (not their places of birth!), just to see where the planets, Sun and Moon were when they were born. You see his positions in the chart, hers on the outside.

She has 1 hard indication for a possible divorce (Mars opposition Saturn).
He has the Moon square Saturn, that is also one indication.
When people have 2 or more of such indications, divorce seems to be inevitable when it is a first marriage. The Haggards have less (unless there are 2 or more afflictions between their first and seventh house, now unknown because of the unkown hour of birth). It means that there may be challenges, but not necessarily a divorce (and isn't that correct:)?

VENUS AND SATURN
There is an inconjunction between his Venus and Saturn. She has Venus trine Saturn. They share Venus-Saturn. That might indicate marriage of convention (for the sake of the children and status) and might be one of the components that keep them married though he is a homosexual.Venus and Saturn may be untrue sometimes, but the combination makes it also hard to separate from each other. Saturn is for consistency...They also stay together because of convention, the children, religion and the belief that homosexuality is a sin that can be turned on and off by free will. The other component might be sympathy (Venus quintile Venus).

MATCH
Their Suns, Moons and Mercuries fail to match.
His Venus is quintile hers (they find a creative way to love each other).
His Mars is exactly square hers (for fire in the beginning and for fighting in the end).

I don't know IF they will end up fighting. But there is a potential for it. Venus-Saturn has the tendency to keep the married status just for the outside world, too (I know of a couple sharing Venus-Saturn living apart now, but officially married).
See the article about sharing aspects, on Astromarkt...I quote:

Venus-Saturn: staying together as long as possible because love is a serious thing. And if you break up (possible with conflicts and supported by more indications) the pain is long felt.

Soon transit Saturn and transit Pluto will hit the natal Sun of Ted Haggard for more challenges.