Venus and Saturn when you are young

When you are young, Venus-Saturn and broken hearts seem to go hand in hand, more often when there has been an attempt to keep up appearances for the world outside or when you get or stay married in order to be decent and correct, or just to please the parents. Venus-Saturn isn’t one of the easy aspects, not in marriage and not in social situations. There is always distance and caution or the fear to be rejected. Somehow the person with Venus-Saturn in the chart learned to manage and control feelings and desires, the hard way. Often the learning process started with the first steps on the path of romance. That is when the first bricks are building the wall that separates reality from preferences.


This blog is about love. How about love and Venus-Saturn when you are young? Here is an example that I found in the news today...and links to more about Venus-Saturn, sharing this aspect with a partner and the effect of Orcus (again!).

Mel Gibson and Oksana's Uranus on his Sun/Moon midpoint

It is finito between the parents of baby Lucia. Oksana Grigorieva and Mel Gibson are no longer in love. Of course, they didn’t match too much. The Sun signs matched and his Jupiter square her Venus promised lots of fun. And that is it. Maybe her natal Moon was conjunct his Venus, for falling inlove…

More important is the effect of her Uranus in the 6th degree of Libra opposition her 7th degree Aries Ceres. Mel Gibson’s Sun/Moon midpoint is in the 22nd degree of Scorpio. That is semi square her Uranus. And indeed, she changed (Uranus) his family life (Sun/Moon) and shook up the beds. Ceres is the symbol of the mother, the seed, the genes…They will always be linked to each other by their little girl Lucia. Ceres introduces the theme of motherhood (maybe also: wanting to have his baby). I read that they originally parted like friends, but later Oksana said that Mel had an affair during her pregnancy (how very Uranic; friendship and surprising news).

HOW ABOUT YOU?
The planet of light that is on, opposition or square the point in the middle of the partners’ Sun and Moon is reflecting much of what motivates the partner when it is about you. Uranus might just reflect adventure, something exciting, friendship or breaking free.

See for more info: the Sun/Moon midpoint synastry.

LINKS
There is a post about the end of Gibson’s long lasting marriage here:
http://astrology-love-romance.blogspot.com/2009/05/long-lasting-ending-marriage-of-mel.html

SOURCE
I found the day of birth of Lucia's mother Oksana here...

Famous couple Princess Madeleine of Sweden and Jonas Bergstrom

Swedish Princess Madeleine had a fiancé, but he had an affair and now the relationship has stopped. Here is her chart with transits of the day of birth of her ex-fiancé Jonas Bergstrom. You can now see if they matched and what the aspects are between their charts (the synastry). They didn't match completely and there are a few 'bad signs' for a relationship: his Uranus on her Ascendant and his Neptune opposition her Sun. Here are some of the observations.

MATCH
The Suns matched
The Moons didn't match
Mercury was sesquisquare Mercury (lack of communications?)
Venus didn't match Venus (different preferences)
Mars matched Mars
It is a 50/50 match; good for cooperation, but less pleasant when it comes to habits and sympathies.

SYNASTRY
The 50/50 match of the signs is completed with a 50-50 packet of aspects:

-Her Moon was conjunct his Sun (a common synastry aspect between a man and a woman in a marriage)
-His Pluto trine her Sun (he impressed her)
-His Moon might be on her Ascendant for attraction
But also:
- His Uranus on her Ascendant promises adventure, hectic situations and a flashlight affaire
- His Neptune opposition her Sun is dubious
- His Juno (symbol of the partner) is exactly square her Uranus (wrong guy?)
- His Pholus is square her Sun and trine her Ascendant...he is embodying a turning point in her life. Another sign of getting hurt is his Chiron inconjunct her Mars, while Chiron is on her Descendant.

More about matches, synastry and love? See the labels!

I like to add that with someone's Uranus on your Ascendant-Descendant line you might experience a period of excitement and then suddenly it is over. Sometimes it is a flashlight relationship, or someone arriving at what seems to be a wrong moment in life or causes upheaval and controversy. There are of course also lasting relationships with Uranus-horizon and in that case the partner will remain a rather unusual kind of choice, perhaps. Do the poll, please, so that we find out what the effect might be!

Famous couple: Justin Timberlake and Jessica Biel

When I wrote on Astropost about matching signs, someone asked to have a look at the famous couple Timberlake-Biel to see if they matched or not. Here is the question and the answer:

Anonymous said...
There are many rumours that Justin Timberlake and Jessica Biel are about to breakup first it was the Chicago Sun Times and now Ok magazine is reporting it too. Justin was on oprah the other day and his attitude about relashionships made it obvious that marriage is not on his list of priorities. Uranus is squaring his natal Neptune, Neptune aspecting his Descendant might bring confusion and Uranus is gonna square is Natal moon. With Jessica i notice Saturn is squaring her natal moon. i read recently a article about Celebrity Break-ups and Hard Outer Planet Transits to the Moon. So i was wondering what do u think ?

March 29, 2009 11:36 PM

AstroMarkt said...
Justin Timberlake has a few things in common with other male beauties. He was born January 31, 1981 at 18h30 CST in Millington. His Moon is oriental and that is attractive. Mars opposition Ascendant gives him the looks of a 'real man'. Venus is in the cool (...) sign of Capricorn, just like in the chart of Brad Pitt. And for being extra cool Justin has Venus in mutual reception with Saturn. That connects beauty and women to business.

Justin has Sun semi square Venus/Uranus for special beauty and a few indications for success related to beauty and being fotogenic: Venus semi square Sun/Jupiter and Jupiter square Venus/Neptune.

Justin Timberlake is an Aquarius and his Ascendant is Leo.

*) He has Mars square Uranus and Moon conjunct Neptune. Both are indications for divorce(s). Jessica Biel has Mars conjunct Saturn. If this is her first relationship (serious) then there is a chance for a divorce.

They do not match much.
Sun semi sextile Sun does not make it easy to live together.
Moon opposition Moon (great attraction, little correspondence in habits)
So the basics don't fit.

Right now transit Neptune conjunct Descendant of Justin Timberlake. This often shows 'isolation' in a relationship. Hard to say if they will separate NOW (I don't know the hour of birth of Jessica Biel). They share the aspect Sun trine Jupiter (they are going for success), but they also both have an affliction between Mars and Saturn (the indicational aspect for divorce in a female's chart).
So I doubt that this will be an eternal partnership, but people CAN go for it and do therapy, of course.

March 30, 2009 6:20 AM

Again there are rumours about the relationship...And perhaps this time it is for real.

There is a post on Astropost about the relationship between Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears, that you can see HERE...

Famous couples: Madonna and Jesus Luz

Madonna has (or had) a lover. They still name him her 'toy boy'. His name is Jesus Luz, he is a model and he was born January 15, 1988 in Rio. Here you see her chart. Her hour of birth has an Astrodatabank DD rating. That is practically an hour unknown or disputed. So I limit myself to the positions of Sun and planets to see what their match was, using very tight aspects only. Why were they together and why couldn't it last forever (apart from the age difference)? Here above is the chart. The transits represent the positions on the day of birth of Jesus.

MATCH
1. Her Sun is inconjunct his Sun.
That is misbalance between stars:) and living together might be difficult. Still there may be extreme attraction between them.
The inconjunction is indicating a possible lost in the end, or having to compromise.

2. Their Moons are in friendly signs.

3. Venus is inconjunct Venus
It will be hard to join their sympathies and tastes, but they might nevertheless like each other in a disproportionate way. Given the fact that she is much older than he is, there is of course a mismatch when it comes to joined preferences. They may have different ideas of what is fun. That might eventually result in pleasure getting lost.

4. Mars quatrinovile Mars (160d)
That is a pleasant match between their Mars, a fortunate match for sex and ... for working together.

SYNASTRY
Her Jupiter square his Sun: she is protecting him and has faith in him.
His Jupiter trine her Sun: the same goes for him!
They share a Sun-Jupiter aspect in the natal chart, too. They want to have success and be happy and that is what brought them together. There was mutual trust and they made each other happy.

Her Venus in a wider trine with his Mars is a perfect composition for passion...And with Venus 75 degrees from Mars there is a hidden passion in Madonna that swiftly goes along with the interaction between them.

CONCLUSION
The number of important inconjunctions*) between them refers to a mismatch for living together and love. But there was enough stimulating fire and both benefited from the relationship. When the relationship started, Jesus said something interesting when you consider the inconjunctions between the Suns and Venus-Venus. He said that he wasn't sure that Madonna was the woman of his life.

MORE...
For more about the artist in the chart of Madonna, see the post on Art&Astrology. The DD rated chart above perfectly fits the profile of an artist...

For more news about Madonna, see all the posts on Astropost mentioning her name...http://astropost.blogspot.com/search?q=Madonna

Madonna divorced Guy Ritchie in 2009. There is a post about that relationship on this blog, too (click here).

*) Inconjunctions are aspects of 150 degrees. They are the symbols of not quite matching aspects of a person's character or (between two persons) of some issue that doesn't 'fit' and causes lack of balance between them, with (for example) the result that someone has to give up on something.

Juno and marriage in the natal chart

Juno is the godess of marriage. That is why I expected to find a prominent Juno in the charts of people with important marriages. Of course, I started looking for well known personalities who's life would not have been the same without their marriage. Women like princess Diana, princess Máxima, Soray of Perisa, Karen Homolka, Jackie Kennedy, Elisabeth Taylor and Agatha Christie. But also of couples like the married couple Pierre and Marie Curie and Crown Prince Rudolf with Maria Vetsera. Look at the charts and you will notice the important positions of Juno and how Juno is related to the chart of the counterparts.

Juno is prominent in your chart when Juno is placed on the angles, on top or at the bottom of the drawing (square Ascendant), in aspect with Sun/Moon or ASC/MC or when Juno is rising before the Sun (the first object that you find when you move your finger clockwise from where the Sun is). Juno is also important when Juno does not make any major aspect in sign or orb 5 degrees. In that case partnership or marriage is of crucial importance or your first objective. Most of the time marriage is more important for women than it is for men. But I found examples of men in whose life marriage or the partner was more important than in the lives of other males. For example, in the chart of prince Charles, who has Juno 22.5 degree (half semi square) from the midpoint ASC/MC,while the Juno of princess Diana is semi square his Sun/Moon. In Camila Parker-Bowles natal chart, by the way, Juno is 'calling'(not making aspects within 5 degrees of orb or within sign), and that symbolizes how 'marriage' would be 'calling her' at any possible level and how the question of partnership could be 'out of control' in her life.

On the site of Bob Marks you find interpretations for Juno in sign and house. Here is the link......
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Juno21.3.html Of course you have to see the interpretation of Juno and Juno's aspects in the light of the rest of the chart, your character and culture.