Famous couple: Margarita and Edwin

Dutch Princess Margarita, daughter of Irene, the sister of Queen Beatrix, divorced Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn, so we are pretty certain about their non-compatibility☺ . I wondered about the reflection of divorce in their charts and I found an uneasy match. Also, they both have indications for possible divorce in the natal charts. Since it was the first marriage for both of them, there was a substantial chance for breaking up. During the marriage difficult transits and progressions contributed to the hard situation. More about that on Wikipedia (see link below).

MATCH?

Her Sun is in Libra is 112.5 degrees from his Sun in Gemini. Although their sun signs ‘ match’ , there is a difficult aspect (square+half semi-square) between their suns (=lifestyle). This aspect is attracting them, but also making it hard to find a joined way of living.

His Moon might be in Gemini, opposition hers. That makes it difficult to live together as their families or background don’t match (and they did not).

There is no conflict between her Venus and his. In fact there is a 108 degree aspect (quintile 72 + half quintile 36), that is reflecting a creative way to like and love each other.

Mars is 112.5 degrees from Mars. A conflict between Mars and Mars usually ends up in fighting and so it did this time.

Possible effect of the aspects:
With the Sun and Moon afflicted by Sun and Moon it is very hard to start and maintain a family life. Venus and Mars in aspect however make it easy to start a man-woman-relationship, ending in a fight...Also, his Venus is inconjunct her Sun, reflecting a lack of balance in love life. So you see that there was a reason to become a couple and one for ending the relationship. Also they both have indications for broken relationships in their natal charts and this was their first marriage.

SHARED
He has Sun square Saturn on Aries Point, she has Sun trine Saturn. They share a certain ambition and position and that is what also brought them together. More about couples sharing aspects on my site Astromarkt...With his Jupiter in aspect with her Sun/Moon midpoint they started with confidence...

DIVORCE
Her Sun conjunct Uranus is one of the aspect in the charts of women that point at a possible divorce and a double bodied sign . When a person has 2 or more of this kind of indicators it is pretty difficult to stay married or get married. Her former husband has 2 indications for divorce: Mars square Uranus and Venus opposition Neptune, even without knowing his hour of birth.

NOW
Princess Margarita found a new husband. She married and has a child and looks very happy. Recently she visited the Pope. It is been suggested in the press that she wanted to have her first marriage cancelled. That visit (accompanied by her brothers, sister and father) happened with Mercury opposition Vesta in her progressed chart. Natal Vesta is in Gemini, perhaps a perfect symbool of a second ‘ first’ marriage. Meanwhile her ex-husband says that he refuses to have his marriage cancelled.

Here above you see her chart and the birth positions of her ex husband in the outer wheel. Her chart is with hour of birth, his is for sunrise (time unknown).

More about Margarita on Wikipedia..

Keys to divorce in the chart of Soraya

On Astropost I wrote about the astrologial keys to the divorce of Soraya and I realised that this post is perfect for this blog about love and romance.

Soraya was the wife of the last Persian Sjah and he divorced her because she did not give him children. Soraya happens to have all of the indications for divore as described by Dutch astrologer Ram! And she had Moon inconjunct Pluto. It looks like if the possibility of a divorce was already there when she was born. In her country, and as the wife of the Sjah, the fact that she couldn't have children turned that possibility into reality. She was not allowed to marry another man after her divorce.

KEYS
The keys to divorce are (see the chart below):

a. Afflictions between the first and seventh house

b. Sun in affliction with Uranus
(Sun is 67.5 degrees from Uranus in Soraya's chart and that is semi square + half semi square and I don't know how to name that in English, perhaps sesqui semi square?)

c. Venus in conflict with Uranus

d. Sun in conflict with Mars
Soraya's Sun is semi sextile Mars and her Mars is inconjunct the Sun of the Sjah, who was born 26 October 1919 at 4:41 a.m. GMT in Teheran. (The semi sextile and the inconjunction activate each other).

e. Mars in conflict with Saturn
Soraya's Mars is trine Saturn...But her husbands' Mars is conjunct Saturn. So these people share a Mars - Saturn aspect. On Astromarkt I write about that:
Mars-Saturn: working hard together as long as possible (like Queen Elisabeth and her late mother), sharing the same frustrations, not much fun (unless there are other indications). This aspect might indicate a lack of shared activities.

f. In general the position of planets in the 7th house give additional information.
Uranus in the 7th house reflects a hectic, controversial or 'flashing' or 'free' marriage.

g. In some cultures having children is important enough to divorce in case of difficulties in getting them.
Ceres, symbol of the Mother, is crucial, as Ceres is at the bottom of Soraya's chart*). The Moon - family - is in the fith house AFFLICTED by Jupiter and Pluto (which means a lot of success as a woman, but...)

SPECIAL SITUATION
If a woman has 1 or more of these influences, it will be more difficult to get or remain married. Soraya has 2 of them. But..in this case, there was a special situation. The Sjah seems to have loved her (although he quickly remarried), but was under pressure to leave the woman who failed to enable his dynasty to continue. Another thing is, that SHE was not supposed to marry again or find a lover after the divorce (or loose her life of desired lazy luxury ever after, reflected by Venus on the MC), but... she had to stay alone. And she was only 26 years old! When she was just married, she had progressed Venus conjunct Sun and she started a life in luxury! But let's see about her natal chart.

IT TAKES MORE AND ...A PRICE TO PAY
The Moon in Aquarius is opposition Jupiter, sextile Uranus and inconjunct Pluto. I like to have a closer look at the Moon inconjunct Pluto. An inconjunction often reflects 'but's' and Pluto is always there when there is a price to pay. Or when you have to give up on something. Pluto is on top of her chart, showing the power of politics, money and ...the importance of issues of LIFE and death (the continues cycle of life). This prominent Pluto is inconjunct the ruler of her Midheaven (- position, status -). She had an independent life in great wealth, but the price was losing her status. Perhaps the Moon opposition Jupiter in her chart shows that being a person was not enough and more was needed. With Moon-Jupiter it always takes more!

PS I wondered if the hour of birth ((9:46) is estimated by an astrologer (putting Moon and Jupiter on the cusps of the Placidus 5/11 houses) or if this is her real hour of birth. It might be true, because there is also Saturn opposition Jupiter/Midheaven with Saturn as the planet the finger is pointing at, indicating the possible fall/step back after a rise in society.

BTW Princess Diana also had Pluto on top of the chart...

*) Queen Fabiola of Belgium had no children with King Boudewijn to their deep regret and Ceres is on her Descendant. I don't know if it is a coincidence, but Queen Fabiola also has Venus on the Midheaven. She does not have Moon in aspect with Jupiter


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Princess Diana and Giscard d'Estaing lovers?

Giscard d'Estaing wrote a book about a romance with a princess and now the world is wondering if he referred to Diana. He met her when she was divorced and he was a widower, but he is 35 years older. No wonder that her Saturn is exactly inconjunct his Midheaven and trine his Ascendant. It says 'respect', but where is the passion? In fact, there is an intruiging aspect, an inconjunction, between his Mars and her Venus. Disproportionate passion, it says...But it doesn't prove a thing. The fact that there is a picture of her apparently flirting with him, doesn't mean that they were lovers. The only certainty is that he has progressed (SA) Sun square Jupiter. That means: success and progress and possibly a lot of sold books!:)

Read the Times and see that picture here...

Famous couples: Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson

Edward VIII (the later Duke of Windsor) abdicated to be able to marry the twice divorced Wallis Simpson. That is true love, isn't it? Let us see their charts and let us see if they really matched. In the end maybe your conclusion will be the same: they rebelled together and they strongly felt that they belonged together. The mutual Sun/Moon midpoint aspects with Jupiter and Ascendant and the shared 'calling' and elevated Uranus ruler 1 are clear about that.

EDWARD
Edward VIII has the following Astro ID:
- Jupiter rises before the Sun (the international, traveling) ; he lived part of his life in France.
- Juno (symbol of marriage) is positioned on top of his chart
- Uranus doesn't make major aspects in sign or orb 5 degrees. This 'calling' Uranus is reflecting the upheaval and the important change in his life. As Uranus rules the first house and is placed in the equal 10th house, the change is likely to occur in the field of status, position and family ranking.

His abdication came right after progressed Pluto inconjunct Uranus. Pluto and Uranus together imply a dramatic change. The inconjunction adds ‘giving up on something, lost’ to this meaning. Transit Uranus was inconjunct natal Midheaven, showing the change (with a lost) while transit Neptune was inconjunct his Ascendant, showing the disproportionate sacrifice.

A romantic nature is attributed to the Moon in Pisces. But Edward VIII had Mars exactly on Aries Point. So he could be sharp, too. And perhaps Jupiter in the equal fifth house (same position as in the chart of Catherina the Great – who had so many lovers) shows us why there was concern about his ‘womazing’ before he met mrs. Simpson.

WALLIS
Wallis Simpson:
- Uranus is the elevated planet, ruler of the first house and in the 10th equal house (public upheaval, change in position) and Uranus doesn't make major aspects. Just like in the chart of her husband Edward, Uranus is 'calling'. Together they 'rebelled'...
- Neptune is rising before the Sun (a romantic dreamer in the first place) and in aspect with Sun/Moon and AC/MC. Romance motivates her and is the key motive in her life!
- Her Sun square Aries Point doesn't make aspects: she will draw attention at any possible level.
- Mercury is conjunct Neptune, perhaps she was misunderstood or she really was hiding some facts. In any case, she was in fact mistrusted. They thought that she was after the money of Edward and didn't really love him.

There were indications for possible divorce in her chart:
Sun 67.5 degrees Mars (sesquisemisquare Sun-Mars)
Venus inconjunct Uranus (orb 3 degrees, however)
Neptune trine Ascendant (romantic/seductive attitude)
Mars inconjunct Uranus might indicate the 'wrong man'

In the days of her later husband's abdication (December 10, 1936) her progressed Midheaven was inconjunct Pluto, illustrating the lost of power, influence and money and the disproportionate influence of politics on her developing position. They married June 3, 1937. But did they match?

THE MATCH
Their Suns didn't match (hers in Gemini, his in Cancer) but as they were not far apart (only 3.3 degrees) they joined lifestyle and lives.

Their Moons didn't match either (hers in Libra, his in Pisces), an understandable reflection of the difference in upbringing, family style and habits. The Moons are sesquisquare, symbol of the frustrations that it must have given them both.

Their Mercury's didn't match.

Her Venus is semi sextile his. No match.

Her Mars is in Aries and so is his. But...they are a half semi square apart! It means that they were attracted to each other, and that they quarreled too.

SHARED ASPECTS
They share the same Ascendant in Aquarius and both had Uranus elevated and 'calling'. Were they just joining forces to withstand rules and regulations, I wonder. Where is the 'luv'? Why this sacrifice? And was it?

SUN/MOON: BELONGING TOGETHER
I noticed that her Jupiter, Chiron and Ascendant are in hard aspect with his Sun/Moon midpoint. His Venus, Jupiter, Chiron and Ascendant were in hard aspect with HER Sun/Moon midpoint. That can be read as follows: they had a strong feeling that they belonged together. It is exceptional that Jupiter, Chiron and Ascendant on both sides are in aspect with Sun/Moon! They must have made each other happy.

SACRIFICE, DESIRE OR FAITH?
Edward had Sun inconjunct Midheaven and Jupiter quindecile Midheaven. Jupiter and Sun connections are not uncommon for a member of the 'royalty', who is being protected and guided throughout life. But he also had duties, symbolized by Saturn semi square MC. The semi square reveals that the job's responsibilities may have frustrated him or we should belief in predicted faith and see it as an indication of stepping back later. The Moon in Pisces, square Midheaven, reflects the influence of romantic feelings on his career. Mars quintile Neptune (a creative way to give up on a job)? Read Astropost about the Queen Mum, whome he referred to as 'Queen' long before he abdicated...

SO...
They may not have been 'made for each other' but when they married they at least liked each other*)and they certainly felt that they belonged together.
The tigh trine between Sun and Saturn in their composite chart kept them together. This aspect draws attention. Wallis Simpson had Sun sesquisquare Saturn. Edward VIII had Sun in a 105-degree aspect with Saturn. They shared restrictions (they were never officially accepted) and perhaps that created the first unbreakable bond for mrs. Simpson...

*) His progressed Venus was opposition her progressed MC and her progressed Venus was close to his progressed Sun in those days.

The exceptions of (not) matching Sun signs

This post is about (not) matching Sun signs and minor synastry aspects that make the difference.

When Sun signs are not 'matching' it is often difficult to stay together in the long term. Conflicting lifestyles and conflicting ideas of life's nature stand in the way, even if the couple loves and likes each other. Example: Ryan O'Neal and Farah Fawcett, who’s Suns were 78 degrees apart. They separated. Couples that have afflictions between other positions in the chart however, may stay together if their Suns are matching. For example, because they have the strong will (Sun in a fixed sign like Taurus, Leo, Scorpio or Aquarius), or because of the family/children or 'because it is supposed to last'(Sun in Cancer or in Capricorn). A famous example is Queen Juliana (a Taurus) and her Cancer husband Bernhard, who had 2 daughters with two other women during the everlasting marriage.

When Sun signs are not matching, there is often no ground for 'living as one'. But there are exceptions, of course (there always are:). Such as, when the Suns make minor aspects, hard or soft ones. Minor aspects between Suns in a relationship tell us that there is a link between the two natures. Minor aspects are for example: semi square (45 degrees), septile (51.4 degrees), sesqui semi square (67.5 degrees), quintile (72 degrees), sesquisquare (135 degrees), biquintile (144 degrees), inconjunction (150 degrees) and quindecile (165 degrees). Other minor aspects have 36, 75, 105, 108 or 157.5 degrees.

Examples:
The Obamas have Sun quindecile Sun, representing a strong focus on each other, so that they are sticking together like a stamp to a letter (as the song says). I know of a couple of actors who have Sun biquintile Sun, so that they found a creative way to join their lives. With the minor square aspects it may be a challenge to stay together, and life styles are obviously different, but the fact that there IS an aspect tells us that the challenge was accepted, like in the case of King Albert and Queen Paola of Belgium. An inconjunction causes lost of balance on both sides. Can such an affair last forever? I doubt it.

When Sun signs are not 'matching' and the Suns don't make a minor or major aspect, other influences than drawing each other's attention and wanting to live 'as one' become more important. I know a couple with Ascendant conjunct Ascendant. They may not have the same life style, but they join the same approach and they like the same environment. Isn't that part of the life style?:) Even though the Leo is the party beast and shopper while the Taurus is fond of riding on horse back and dreaming of living in a rural part of the country they look very close.

Suns may be in matching signs with challenging aspects. This happens with:

- the 67.5 degree aspect
This occurs when the Sun signs are two signs and 7.5 degrees apart, for example Sun in Aries 10 degrees and Sun in Gemini 18 degrees.

- the sesquisquare aspect
This happens when the Sun signs are 4 signs and 15 degree apart, for example Sun in Aries 10 degrees and Sun in Leo 25 degrees

These Suns draw each other's attention. Though they seem to be matching, there is a challenge to overcome and they have to learn to live together as one (or stop it).

Example of the contrary:
Every rule has it exceptions. Richard Burton (Sun in Scorpio) and Elisabeth Taylor married a few times and divorced a few times. Their Sun signs matched. She is a Pisces. There is no conflict between the Suns, but there are other conflicts, like the inconjunctions between Sun and Uranus or Venus and Saturn and the not matching Venus. Still, it is amazing how they kept believing in a future together and kept falling in love. Perhaps it is because of that matching sun. Maybe another time I will study their synastry, the aspect that they share etc.

When there is a conflict between the first and seventh house or (when it is a man) between Moon and Saturn, Moon and Neptune, Venus and Neptune or Mars and Uranus, or (when it is a woman) between Sun and Mars, Sun and Uranus, Venus and Uranus or Mars and Saturn...and when it is the first marriage...it is highly possible that divorce follows. But again: there are always exceptions.

Example:
Bill Clinton is a Leo. Hillary Clinton is a Scorpio. These Sun signs don't match. But there is a minor aspect between their suns (67.5 degrees, a sesqui semi square). I know a couple that also has such an aspect and they have a long lasting marriage, too. Bill Clinton has Sun and Moon afflicted with Neptune. Since it is his first marriage, a divorce might follow. But, Hillary doesn't have the usual conflicts in her chart and she is a Scorpio.

Positions, cultures, history and law give different perspectives, too.
Matching or not matching is not as simple as to be or not to be...

For more about matching signs on this site, click the label 'matching'...

Venus, Uranus and the charts of Tony Curtis and Marilyn Monroe

Tony Curtis and Marilyn Monroe had a flash light relationship together for a few (short periods of) time. That is what he mentions in the book about his life.
Flash light in a relationship is often symbolized by Uranus. Marilyn had Venus semi sextile Uranus. Tony has Venus square Uranus. Venus and Uranus combinations reflect the desire for tension, excitement and 'thrills' like when you are in love. Of course this is not beneficial for long lasting (or dull) relationships. In the charts of women Venus-Uranus is one of the 4 aspect combinations that reflect a higher chance to get a divorce.

Venus-Uranus is for 'firework in a rollercoaster': see the post on Astropost. Or read about Venus-Uranus on my site Astromarkt...
Another idea is to read 'Catherina the Great and her young lovers' to see another example of the Venus-Uranus effect. She had Venus inconjunct Uranus and an outrageous amount of 'flashing' relationships!

In the article on Astromarkt I wrote about sharing this aspect:

"Venus-Uranus is for sharing the same love of music, dancing and adventures. Venus-Uranus could be the shared aspect for falling in love for a short period of time."

For more about having the same aspect combination as your partner, click here...

Famous couple: Ryan O'Neal and Farrah Fawcett

Ryan O'Neal used to be married with Farrah Fawcett. They divorced and there was a rumor that they would marry again just before she died. Mars-Saturn, the combination of death and divorce, is of major importance in their relationship. Both have an aspect between Mars and Saturn and his Mars and Saturn are in hard aspect with her Sun. In the composite chart Mars is sesquisquare Saturn. And in the final period of their relationship his progressed Sun was inconjunct her Mars and Saturn conjunction, reflecting a loss because of death.

SHARING MARS-SATURN
The Mars-Saturn combination is the aspect combination of restricted energy, death and divorce (in the charts of women). He has the square; she has the opposition in her chart. In the article on Astromarkt, about having the same kind of aspects as your partner, I write:

Mars-Saturn: working hard together as long as possible (like Queen Elisabeth and her late mother), sharing the same frustrations, not much fun (unless there are other indications). This aspect might indicate a lack of shared activities.

Ryan O'Neal survived cancer not long ago.

NATAL AND PROGRESSIONS
In her final hours the aspect of the issue of death (Mars-Saturn) brought them together again. This was reflected by the progression of his progressed Sun first inconjunct her natal Saturn and in the end inconjunct her natal Mars. That was the 4th Mars-Saturn combination that I noticed. (I already mentioned that his natal Mars and Saturn were in aspect with her Sun and that the composite chart has Mars 135 Saturn). The inconjunction has the potential meaning of 'lost', so that we can read this combination as a lost because of death.

SUN-PLUTO
Another shared aspect combination is Sun-Pluto (she has the opposition, he has the square). In their composite chart the Sun is sesquisquare Pluto. It means that their strong egos might cause problems. And that there was a strong and vivid but difficult bound between them. That explains how they got involved again when there was a shared health problem (how to survive cancer).

PERSONALITIES
Their natal charts tell us that they will have problems finding Mr. or Mrs. Right. Or should I say: that they need a little more experience until they settle down or realize that it is better to remain on their own. That is reflected by difficult distances between the Ascendant and the Descendant and by various aspects that I will name later in this post*). Farrah Fawcett's chart has such indications in the natal chart. But: with 60% of her positions in fixed signs she would likely hold on to relationships.

Ryan O'Neal's chart has minor aspects, not supposed to be difficult aspects or indications. But those aspects tell us that he is creative in dealing with separation of women, that he is a romantic seductive kind of guy and that he knows how to get related. With Moon sextile Venus women like him and Gemini (double bodied sign) on the Descendant tells us that there will likely be more than one marriage, even though 70% of his positions are in fixed signs and fixed signs mean: holding on...

MATCH?
- Their Suns didn't match much (Aquarius and Taurus) so they had a different lifestyle
- Their Moons matched (Cancer and Pisces) so they could be friend, their habits matched
- The position of Mercury speaks of good communications
- Venus does not match Venus (different tastes and preferences)
- Both had Mars in Aquarius, so they could cooperate in the same style

In some ways they did, in other ways they didn't match. I have noticed more divorces when the sun signs don't match. It seems to be important to have the same kind of nature or at least matching lifestyles, to have a long time marriage. Her Sun/Moon midpoint is square his Ascendant. You can read more about Sun/Moon midpoint in relationships by clicking the label below. On Art&Astrology you find the charts of Ryan O'Neal and Farrah Fawcett and their patterns of artistic talent. Find their charts by typing the name in the left upper space and click 'blog search'.

*) In the charts of females hard aspects between Sun and Mars, Sun or Venus with Uranus or Mars and Saturn are indicating the possibility of a divorce. In the charts of males the Moon or Venus afflicted by Neptune, Mars in hard aspect with Uranus or the Moon conjunct, square (included semi and sesqui square), inconjunct or opposition Saturn are reflecting the not lasting relationship.